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i never got any money from you

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ufo might just as well stand for

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unprecedented financial opportunity

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this is the saucer life a podcast in

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which we examine concepts of enter

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people orbiting the world of flying

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saucers few preconceptions snark one

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justified no belief no debunking today

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we're going to continue our examination

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of the gulf breeze florida sightings

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finishing up our discussion of ed and

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francis walters first book the gulf

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breeze sightings and getting into the

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investigation of the case and some

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discoveries that were made now if you

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haven't listened to our last episode

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where we began looking at the gulf

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breeze sightings you might want to go

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back and start with that one i'm not

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going to make you i'm not your boss but

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it might be to your benefit to start

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there before picking up with this

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episode so the story so far

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ed walters and his wife francis had seen

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a number of flying saucers over or near

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their property in gulf breeze florida

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near pensacola ed saying that he was

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delivering the photos on behalf of a

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mysterious mr x gave the photos to the

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local weekly newspaper the gulf breeze

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sentinel other people began to send

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their ufo photos to the sentinel and ufo

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sightings became a sensation in gulf

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breeze now ed walters was

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not just seeing ufos he was hearing

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humming noises and feeling sensations

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that sort of were

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precognitive warnings that the ufos were

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coming he was hearing messages from the

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ufos he was drawn to them they called

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him zai haas sort of a name

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for him it's it's a very strange story

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and we left off with it being near

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christmas 1987 and a new witness

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in the christmas eve 1987 edition of the

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gulf breeze sentinel the following

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letter appeared in its pages

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dear editor

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well here it is i too have to join the

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believers because i now have seen a ufo

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three of them right there on shoreline i

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can't understand why nobody stopped as i

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did to watch them i waved and pointed to

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everybody driving by but nobody stopped

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it was only about 5 or 5 30 pm just

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getting dark i was heading east on

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shoreline very close to where you can

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turn into the school in the north looked

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like over the high school i saw three

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ufos just over the line of sight of

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trees i pulled over to the side of the

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road as other cars went on by i watched

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for a minute or so and remembered that

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the kids had left a toy camera hotshot

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in the back seat floor i had no idea how

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many shots were still left in it if any

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i haven't closed the camera with the

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pictures it was better than nothing and

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i got nine pictures i could never get

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all three ufos in the same shot but the

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first three photos are shots of each as

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they hovered around i could no longer

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tell which was which they were white at

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the bottom and when i first saw them but

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as they came lower and i took the

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pictures they became more orange i

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started to run through the woods so i

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began to glow bright white and

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disappeared straight up there was no

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noise no rockets blasting they just went

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last month looked like these i'm not

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going to be hypnotized and all that

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crazy stuff so here are the photos the

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experts can claim what they want claim

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their trick photos but i like to see

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somebody take a trick photo with this

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toy camera i'll keep the negs for my

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grandkids as you can see it got darker

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interesting it says the sentinel is

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having our ufo photos analyzed by nasa's

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jet propulsion laboratory in pasadena

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if you could send two more sets of

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photos or one negative to us it would be

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at the same time this is going on ed and

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and others are having sightings as well

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on their property on december 27th 1987

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the eighth sighting took place a witness

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patrick a college student a friend of

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walters son

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grown close to patrick he no doubt knows

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he is always welcome many of the and

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this is in quotes games that francis and

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i organized for the teenagers have

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patrick as a key participant these these

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games these sort of things that that the

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walters sort of arranged for the young

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speak to walters credibility down the

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road now there's nothing sort of

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salacious or inappropriate here but ed

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had a reputation with the kids as a

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fun-loving guy patrick this friend of

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their sons sees the the ufo and the

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interesting thing for ed is that usually

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only ed sees these ufos even when

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they're they're big and and fairly low

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patrick had seen it does the ufo know

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when i'm alone or can it somehow read my

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mind does it know when others are

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watching did the ufo allow patrick to

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is creating a kind of narrative about

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why the ufos show up like they have a

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connection to him and him alone they

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aren't for everybody to see

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but maybe sometimes people like patrick

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can see them accidentally but otherwise

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the ufos have to want to be seen now

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we're not going to go through every

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sighting that ed and francis talk about

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in their book and we're going to jump

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ahead to january of 1988 january 12 1988

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this is the 10th sighting he calls it

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the road shot by this time

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ed was working with mufon particularly

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mufon investigator don ware who was

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local there to florida and ed had

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been assured that mufon would keep his

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identity a secret which was very

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important to him as a businessman and

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member of the community remember he

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called himself mr x or he

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pretended the photos were from mr x when

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this sighting on in january 1987 he was

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light from a ufo startles him it is

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chasing him he's reaching for the

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shotgun behind the truck seat but he

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doesn't know if he can get it he

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abandons the shotgun and then goes for

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his camera taking more photos of the ufo

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he decides to stop the truck and get out

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when i looked forward down the road the

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ufo wasn't there i was halfway under the

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truck when it hit again

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flash my legs stung and went numb from

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the knees down i dug into the grass with

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my elbows and finally managed to make it

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to where my head was below the oil pan

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again looking forward i saw the ufo

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hovering once more above the road i

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tried to get the camera lined up on the

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ufo but the truck was too low to allow

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my elbows enough room to hold the camera

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upright i took another shot and the ufo

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slowly began to rotate then came the hum

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really loud a voice

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as i think back now i remember that

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these instructions made no sense you are

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in danger come forward no way they were

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going to have to drag me out from under

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the truck a blue beam flashed from the

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ufo to the road five times it shot down

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each blue beam deposited a creature on

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the road close to the ufo i began to

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yell obscenities i wasn't yelling at

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them or myself but just out of shock

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each time a creature was left standing

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there i yelled each one stood waiting

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and was joined by the next finally all

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five began to move in lockstep toward me

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each one had a silver rod they moved the

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rods up and down in their right hands as

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they marched down the middle of the road

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they were 200 feet from me and i knew i

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could not stay under the truck i started

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backing out thinking that the creatures

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would be on me at any moment

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when i stumbled into the driver's seat

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they were about halfway from the ufo

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they didn't seem to be in a big hurry

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but i was i threw the truck into reverse

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and backed across the road finally

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ed and francis claimed that the next day

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the day after this encounter two

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officials from the air force special

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security services agent mcafee and

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the other one was the other one given a

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somebody else demanded the photographs

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and negatives which ed claimed he no

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longer had because he gave them to um

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you know they weren't his they were mr

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x's and uh the newspaper

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had them and so they claimed they were

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harassed by these air force special

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security things and francis particularly

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took great offense to this

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the episode with the air force agents

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left me wondering just whom we could

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trust a staunch conservative i didn't

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like to think that our government would

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treat its citizens in such a high-handed

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now francis does go on to talk about

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speculation that the agents weren't

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agents at all but were people trying to

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discourage them or even people from

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rival ufo organizations that wanted to

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screw with mufon in one way or another

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and if you remember

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our um oh gosh i think it was the

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i can't remember which episode it was

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but it was a one of the brad steiger

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books we talked about at some point

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where there was this sort of epidemic of

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people claiming to be

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brad steiger or john keel sort of

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treating people badly and speculation

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that government agents or other

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organizations might be doing something

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like that so generally various types of

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chicanery taking place in the ufo world

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really to no one's surprise or at least

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there shouldn't be any surprise if

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you've been listening to the saucer life

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for a while then on january 17th the

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investigation takes a

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a turn takes a a step as walter h andrus

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jr arrives on the scene he is the

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international director of the mutual ufo

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network or mufon in january of 1988 and

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he issues a statement after talking to

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ed issues a statement to the

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gulf breeze sentinel saying that the

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that mufon or at least that he is the

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international director of mufon has

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visited ed visited gulf breeze and

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believes the photos to be authentic now

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even though andrus does not reveal

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ed walters's identity because

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ed did not want his identity out there

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yet he says he has met with the witness

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and believes him to be credible believes

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him to be sincere and believes him to be

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entirely forthcoming about what he has

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seen the photographs have been examined

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by mufon experts and are found to be

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completely reliable and andrus has

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thrown his full support and kind of by

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extension at least at this point the

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support of mufon behind the mixter x

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photos or the ed walters photos as we

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know them to be strange things continue

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to happen to the walters and or the

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walters yeah the walters is let's be

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plural about it the walters is and um

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and other people in the area have ufo

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sightings as well that are reported in

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the newspapers at the time one of the

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strange things that happens to the

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walters family is that a dark helicopter

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circles their house so 1988 we're kind

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of early for the the black helicopter

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craze but uh but it happens to the

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walters is or they say it happens i

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i don't mean that in a pejorative way

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they they allege have they witness a

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helicopter they claim a helicopter i

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don't want to make them sound i don't

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want to make it sound like i'm like i

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think they're making it up

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they claimed there was a black

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helicopter circling their house so on

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july july january 24th 1988 there was

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another

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encounter that walters had and this was

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alongside dwayne cook of the gulf breeze

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sentinel and this one was videotaped

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which is pretty interesting and this is

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how

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ed describes the encounter and the the

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censored obscenities in here are

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censored in the book so i will sort of

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censor them i will i will do this we'll

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present it as it is written

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suddenly my heart raced and i knew

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something was going to happen i used the

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truck over the side of the road at the

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same time calling out if you're gonna do

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it come on okay okay okay come on

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the hum grew louder and i warned dwayne

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once again that he might be in trouble

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then i stepped out of the truck i was in

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the middle of the road i was exposed

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dwayne also got out still filming me but

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stayed close to the truck as i paced

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back and forth across the road okay i'm

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ready here i am

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again i called to dwayne to be careful

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and he responded don't worry about me

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my stomach cramped and i yelled this i

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went out of my life dwayne they're here

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come on s.o.b let's do it my left hand

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burst with pain then a crushing pain

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rushed from my right forehead across my

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chest and down my left arm and leg i was

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driven to the ground and screamed to

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dwayne they're here duane they're here

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they were using my own nervous system to

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hurt me i screamed again wanting them to

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do whatever they had come for i'm not

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gonna do this again this is it i'm not

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going out like this anymore you better

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do it i'm not gonna do this again come

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on come on sob

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the hum ceased and in a moment stopped i

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was still standing in the road the misty

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rain wet me causing me to shiver i

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walked back to the truck dwayne had

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already climbed back in because it was

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beginning to rain a little harder when i

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opened the door i could see he was still

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filming i was disappointed that we

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hadn't filmed the ufo but maybe the

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torment and that strong surge of pain

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had ended the hum maybe the connection

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was broken i glanced up across the sky

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and announced that i would not be back

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suddenly about 200 feet behind duane and

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maybe six feet high the ufo winked into

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view i yelled oh

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oh sh

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there it is

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i jerked the camera up to my face but i

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didn't line up the viewfinder on the ufo

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i never saw the ufo through the camera i

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just aimed in the general direction and

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hit the trigger the flash went off for

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photo 21 when i lowered the camera there

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was nothing in the sky

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regardless of what you feel about the

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ufo photos or ufo photos in general or

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ufos in general i think you have to

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admit that ed walters writes a

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compelling kind of

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ufo encounter story i mean i probably

388
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had a little too much fun doing that but

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the thing is this was videotaped this

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was all recorded so we should be able to

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see it or somebody should be able to see

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it or we should be able to at least have

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some

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way to test

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what happened fortunately we have a

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report from somebody who did see the

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videotape and that somebody is mr jim

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mosley of saucer smear who was a

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section director for monroe county

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florida at the time in the late 1980s

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and in his memoir shockingly close to

402
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the truth confessions of a grave-robbing

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ufologist mostly describes going down to

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or rather up from where he was in key

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west

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up to gulf breeze to talk to ed and

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francis walters in december 1988

408
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and what's interesting as mosley tells

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it he he didn't know about the videotape

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he didn't know about any of that and ed

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says i suppose you want to see the

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videotape and mostly he's like oh yes

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the videotape i would like to see it

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thinking what videotape what is he

415
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talking about so walters sends his his

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15 year old daughter to her room because

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he doesn't want her to hear the

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profanity and then mosley says thus it

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was that i became one of a very few to

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see the entire 45 minutes or so of this

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amazing quote evidence which ed soon

422
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wisely decided to suppress

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the motif of this amazing production is

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less ufo and more demon or evil entity

425
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possession ed is driving his truck while

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cook is videotaping him from the

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passenger seat ed keeps cursing a blue

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streak wildly and excessively he babbles

429
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on about how the entities and space

430
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beings are attacking him psychically

431
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that he can feel it that his face is

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contorted with one eye being pushed out

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and on and on

434
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i almost laughed out loud when he asked

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cook isn't my face contorted and cook

436
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replied no ed you look about the same as

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you always do

438
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finally ed stops the truck quickly gets

439
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out polaroid in hand and snaps a picture

440
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of a ufo cook is slower to leave the

441
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truck and by the time ed can point out

442
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the ufo the thing's gone ed then shows

443
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cook the photo he seemingly just took

444
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and by what i call saucer logic cook

445
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declares that because he saw ed take the

446
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picture that proves the ufo is actually

447
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there at least for a brief moment here

448
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again i had to suppress an almost

449
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overwhelming urge to laugh my head off

450
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mosley would go on to claim that

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according to one of his sources or a

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friend of one of his trusted sources

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that ed and dwayne had a pretty good

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time laughing about the video they made

455
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afterwards and that it wasn't really

456
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intended to be serious at all but

457
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sort of a joke sort of jokey hoaxy funny

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sort of thing

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mosley argues that nobody who has

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actually seen the video could possibly

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take ed walters claims seriously

462
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although he points out that um that that

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researcher and person who uh verified

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the photos bruce mcabee does take the

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video seriously mosley offsets that uh

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that claim and that assertion that the

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video is real that mcafee has against

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the

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amount of money matt could be received

470
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for lending his expertise to the walters

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book we're getting into the realm of ufo

472
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might just as well stand for

473
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unprecedented financial opportunity here

474
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as we expected we would and it will get

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more

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financially opportune as the story goes

477
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on at this point the the book really

478
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goes into there's more sightings but

479
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there's a lot of stuff about cameras and

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a lot of stuff about

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experts like bruce mcabee verifying the

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the truth of the photos and arguments

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about whether or not uh walters could

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have been using double exposure to

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create these photos because the model of

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old polaroid camera he was using was

487
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capable of double exposures now

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i'm a sort of photo guy so

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i know what a double exposure is but i

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realized that some people out there

491
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might not if they're not sort of of film

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camera age although at least our

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statistics on spotify seem to indicate

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that many of you listening are old

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enough to remember film cameras which

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means you're cool so a double exposure

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is when you expose the film by

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taking a picture and then you

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don't wind the film you don't change

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where the film is in a polaroid you

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don't eject the film and allow it to

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develop you take another picture so you

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can take a picture of one thing and then

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move and take a picture of something

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else and those two images are on the

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same frame one superimposed on the other

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i uh the other day put up a multiple

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exposure picture that i took um on film

509
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because it's sort of possible on film

510
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still easily and i put that on on social

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media so you could see what a multiple

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exposure is like and hopefully by the

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time you hear this i won't have

514
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forgotten to put that picture up but in

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any case

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from my point of view

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the book starts to get boring at this

518
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point we have fewer exciting uh exciting

519
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sightings and encounters and more

520
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this mufon person said this then mufon

521
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gave me this kind of camera to try then

522
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somebody in the park recognized me and

523
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revealed that i was the ufo photographer

524
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and they called me mr ed and some

525
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debunkers show up and skeptics show up

526
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and there's debates and it all gets kind

527
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of boring because this is ed walters

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book so you're not going to get an

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even-handed account of an investigation

530
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and how this was done you're going to

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get the evil debunkers tried to say we

532
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were hoaxers but then dr mcabee used his

533
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optical physics knowledge to prove that

534
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we were truth tellers and and things

535
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,080
like that so

536
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,039
it kind of bogs down a little bit the

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final encounter will take place in may

538
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of 1988 but in in january and february

539
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he had a couple of other encounters

540
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,320
there's one where he runs outside to uh

541
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to confront the ufo wearing nothing but

542
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a towel and this is photo number 23 in

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the book and i will put this up on

544
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:21,919
social media as well these two pictures

545
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,799
i'm talking about here and um or not

546
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,080
social media they'll be at the website

547
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,559
go to the link in the show notes to the

548
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,080
the website and there will be those

549
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:32,799
those pictures there so

550
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:35,679
what you see is you see ed walters in a

551
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:38,480
towel just a white towel both his fists

552
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,280
raised in ire and the ufo in the

553
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,000
distance that was january a couple weeks

554
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:47,200
later february 7th the the ufo shows up

555
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,640
fires off the blue beam and francis was

556
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:53,280
in the way of the beam and she barely

557
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,480
dodges out of the way um and jumps

558
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:58,080
through the kitchen door into the house

559
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:59,679
and avoids the blue beam and there's a

560
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,880
picture of her

561
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:03,120
sort of looking like she's sort of

562
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,159
cringing away from this blue beam that's

563
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:08,559
shining down and again it looks

564
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,240
it looks very stagey looks very um very

565
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,120
fake to me honest um honestly i'm gonna

566
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,520
be kind of judgmental and uh and

567
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,520
skeptical and say these pictures do not

568
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,799
look

569
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:23,039
terribly authentic as we get to the end

570
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,039
of the book we've got a lengthy appendix

571
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,000
by bruce mcafee going photo by photo of

572
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:30,000
his analysis which

573
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,280
i'll be honest if you want to buy the

574
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,960
book and read that that's awesome and

575
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:34,960
you might find it very interesting

576
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:38,000
i don't think in an audio format it

577
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,360
would be great to sort of talk about

578
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,960
what he sees in the photos which would

579
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,960
involve me describing each photo to you

580
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:44,960
i do not think that is

581
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,080
a wise use of any of our time

582
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,080
but the final end of the book

583
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,880
in appendix 3 comes with a position

584
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:54,480
statement from mufon

585
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:55,520
and

586
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:58,480
well not mufon from mufon state florida

587
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,400
state director don ware

588
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,799
as mufon state director living only 44

589
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,320
miles from gulf breeze i have helped

590
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,240
coordinate the activities of seven local

591
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,000
investigators and three internationally

592
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,159
known investigators of the many ufo

593
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,159
reports in this area there have been at

594
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,480
least 68 reports of objects that after

595
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,559
various amounts of investigation we have

596
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,159
not been able to identify as either

597
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:22,960
naturally produced or made by man these

598
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,280
include 135 witnesses of which four

599
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,679
reported alien beings six reported blue

600
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:29,679
beams and nine reported periods of

601
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:32,559
missing time suggesting abductions over

602
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,280
60 ufo photographs have been taken i am

603
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,120
convinced that these sightings are proof

604
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:39,280
of alien visitation the level of

605
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,120
technology demonstrated indicates they

606
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,120
can come and go at will and can reside

607
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,200
in a variety of places the bottoms of

608
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:47,679
our oceans inside major high-altitude

609
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,799
ice fields in earth orbit on the moon on

610
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,880
mars etc

611
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,720
one might ask why one couple in gulf

612
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:56,880
breeze has been allowed 18 photographic

613
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,440
sessions the most obvious reason to me

614
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,120
is the aliens want people to see the

615
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,360
photographs i hope this causes more

616
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,960
people to give serious thought to the

617
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:07,679
idea that we as an intelligent species

618
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,170
are not alone in the universe

619
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:12,640
[Music]

620
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,840
now

621
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,600
some of these things are compelling i

622
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:17,200
think the number of witnesses in the

623
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,720
gulf breeze area is compelling i i think

624
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,080
that's very interesting i think it's

625
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,000
interesting that people other than ed

626
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,760
walters we believe

627
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:27,440
took photographs there's some debate

628
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:30,080
about that as we're going to see

629
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:33,679
but to say that aliens from outer space

630
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,720
is the most obvious explanation for

631
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,440
what's going on seems like a stretch and

632
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:41,120
just to put my cards on the table a

633
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,080
little bit

634
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,679
just because people see something that

635
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,520
cannot be explained doesn't mean that

636
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,440
the explanation is aliens i don't think

637
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:49,440
that is an outrageously

638
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:53,039
skeptical debunking position to take i

639
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,159
i don't know

640
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,559
now he mentioned internationally known

641
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,480
experts one of these internationally

642
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:00,960
known experts who arrived on the scene

643
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:03,760
was none other than abduction researcher

644
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:06,960
bud hopkins and his visit in february of

645
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:10,880
1988 was reported on by the gulf breeze

646
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,320
sentinel edited by dwayne cook who

647
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,039
helped videotape ed walters

648
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,840
not having any physical reaction showing

649
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:21,600
on his face to the aliens at least as

650
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:24,159
far as jim mosley was concerned the

651
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,600
headline in the gulf breeze sentinel

652
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,760
said a famous ufo author visits gulf

653
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:30,240
breeze comma believes sightings are

654
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,640
authentic and hopkins had this to say

655
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,240
the credibility of the pictures and the

656
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,080
photographer should not be questioned

657
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,600
the fact that the photos are clear

658
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,520
detailed and contain so much information

659
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,279
that can be validated shows they are

660
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,440
authentic the abundance of sightings and

661
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,840
witnesses is of such a magnitude as to

662
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:49,760
render the orchestration of a hoax

663
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,669
they should not be questioned the

664
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:57,520
credibility and the photographer the

665
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,400
credibility of the pictures and

666
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:00,159
photographers should not be questioned

667
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,840
okay okay bud sure why not

668
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,279
you're an

669
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,200
abduction researcher that of course

670
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,440
makes you an expert on

671
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,600
photography right

672
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,240
but uh bud hopkins would go on to be a a

673
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:16,880
staunch supporter of um

674
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,279
of the uh of the gulf breeze sightings

675
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,279
and end of ed walters the caption under

676
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:23,279
his picture says for 12 years bud

677
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,000
hopkins has been a skeptical

678
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:28,720
skeptical and meticulous researcher or

679
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,039
investigator of ufo reports as a painter

680
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,200
and sculptor he has of course become an

681
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:36,000
expert on foot photographic analysis i

682
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,760
made that up as a painter and sculptor

683
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,440
he has received many awards around the

684
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,520
world he's been at the guggenheim blah

685
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:43,120
blah blah

686
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,799
he's skeptical and meticulous i don't

687
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,320
think anybody would call but hopkins

688
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,200
skeptical um that's not a slight on him

689
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:51,279
it's it's just i think it's the wrong

690
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:53,039
word for it and this is kind of a

691
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,000
gushing

692
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,600
caption but

693
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,440
the gulf breeze sentinel seems to be a

694
00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:00,080
fairly pro ufo rag

695
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,440
at the time

696
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:03,679
so we're at a point here

697
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,799
where we have sort of gone through

698
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:08,480
the walters book

699
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,600
mufon has investigated and and walt

700
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,600
anders is behind it the state director's

701
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:15,520
behind it but hopkins is behind it

702
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,159
they're all standing up for the

703
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,120
authenticity of the

704
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:24,240
of the ed walters photos so what happens

705
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:27,520
when the book comes out and this becomes

706
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,919
even more of a media sensation

707
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:31,919
we're going to take a look at that

708
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,950
next time it's going to be our third and

709
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:45,760
final part of the ed walters francis

710
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,880
walters gulf breeze sightings experience

711
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,760
it's a

712
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,520
rare three-parter although it's the

713
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,039
second three-parter

714
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,159
this year so maybe not so rare

715
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,919
keep the feedback and questions about

716
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,000
gulf breeze coming we'll have a sort of

717
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,600
bonus bumper

718
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:04,000
sort of listener feedback about gulf

719
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:08,080
breeze thing when all this is wrapped up

720
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,600
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725
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726
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727
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729
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731
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732
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733
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734
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,399
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735
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737
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,000
80. and now

738
00:28:56,170 --> 00:28:53,919
let's take a look at what happened after

739
00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:56,180
this book came out

740
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,029
okay so i lied well not lied but maybe

741
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:07,120
wasn't entirely clear with what i wanted

742
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:08,320
to do

743
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,679
the

744
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,880
book

745
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,799
when we get the title right the gulf

746
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,279
breeze sightings by

747
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:17,760
ed and francis walters came out in early

748
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:20,559
1990 the first few months of 1990. so

749
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:23,840
what i've done is i've called up

750
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,799
a huge number of stories most of which

751
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,320
are and i then i got rid of the ones

752
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:29,919
that weren't interesting stories from

753
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:32,960
the pensacola florida news journal from

754
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,000
1990 into oh

755
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:38,399
let me move my mouse over here into uh

756
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,360
into

757
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,039
1993 so

758
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:43,360
the first few years after this book was

759
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,399
out pensacola gulf breeze was a suburb

760
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:48,240
of pensacola

761
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,279
and so the pensacola news journal a

762
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:53,360
little more of a traditional daily

763
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:54,799
newspaper

764
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,159
unlike the the gulf breeze sentinel so

765
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,320
what was the

766
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:03,360
in quotes big city reaction to what was

767
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:04,559
going on

768
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,279
in

769
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,919
gulf breeze at the time because this was

770
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,120
going to be

771
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,039
a sensation and it was going to bring a

772
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:13,760
lot of attention to this this town in

773
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,880
the panhandle so let's take a look on a

774
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,640
journey let's have a journey through the

775
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,120
pensacola news journal in the early

776
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,590
and the way i'm doing it like this and

777
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,080
and what this does is it tells the story

778
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:30,480
as it would have been seen through the

779
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,799
eyes of the general non-ufo public and i

780
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,120
wanted to see how the

781
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,919
controversies and the debate over

782
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,600
walters sightings and other ufo

783
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,760
sightings in the area how that was

784
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,200
handled

785
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,080
in in the wider media not in the pages

786
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,399
of the mufon journal or in mosley's

787
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,080
saucer smear newsletter or in

788
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,600
saucer-centric

789
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:55,600
things because you can

790
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,120
sort of imagine what the saucer-ish sort

791
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,440
of take would be what is the take of

792
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:03,120
people just writing news stories for a

793
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:04,799
living about what's going on in their

794
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,440
community with this ufo story that has

795
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,080
burst onto the scene after percolating

796
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,840
on a local level for a while now there's

797
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,080
a a massive new book from a major

798
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,919
publisher and

799
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,480
mufon is is doing symposiums and

800
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,559
meetings in the area how does all this

801
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,519
play out on the ground in pensacola in

802
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,600
the early 90s the first article that

803
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,080
caught my eye was in the february 17th

804
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:30,080
issue of the news journal this is an

805
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,840
article readers tell of pensacola's

806
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,320
pride comma joy basically what is it

807
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:37,120
about pensacola that you would highlight

808
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,799
to people to get them to come to

809
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:41,519
pensacola and most things are like the

810
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:44,480
high school drama class and um

811
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,600
other things like that and apparently

812
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:47,760
this is about good morning america on

813
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,799
abc coming to uh see pensacola and

814
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,320
highlight things

815
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,399
one item is interesting patricia

816
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,240
weatherford the program chair for the

817
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,440
local mufon chapter says that ed walters

818
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,799
should be featured on good morning

819
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,159
america because he has amassed a

820
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:05,279
collection of photos of flying saucers

821
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:06,159
so

822
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,240
it's not just ufo buffs who are

823
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,399
into the ufos and gulf breeze it

824
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,880
regularly shows up in

825
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,200
the newspaper and there are their ads

826
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:19,519
there's an ad earlier in february where

827
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,919
basically there's a photo store picture

828
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,279
developing place

829
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,679
that said it's where the the aliens come

830
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:27,760
to get their ufo photos

831
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:31,039
developed so it's become kind of a meme

832
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,480
in pensacola in uh in 1990 especially

833
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,720
once once the book comes out and it does

834
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:39,039
come out in in february march because by

835
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,960
march there are there are book signings

836
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:44,640
going on the

837
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,840
march 2nd 1990 issue of the pensacola

838
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,840
news journal says that ed and francis

839
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:51,679
are signing their book at heron king

840
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:54,399
bookstore in harbor town in gulf breeze

841
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,919
from noon to 5 p.m and it talks about

842
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,320
the book a little bit so they're out

843
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:02,000
there they're in the public

844
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:05,360
it's becoming news beginning in february

845
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,080
and march of 1990 not just the sightings

846
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:10,880
being news but the walters account and

847
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,720
their book becomes a popular consistent

848
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:16,480
news item in the march

849
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,320
uh march 11 1990 issue of the news

850
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,720
journal there is a number of articles

851
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,039
gulf breeze ufos science or fiction

852
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,120
observers seeing is believing and these

853
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,919
articles are by bill depalo and craig

854
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,559
myers and craig myers would go on to be

855
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:35,360
sort of the the news journal's point

856
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:36,320
person

857
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,279
on the the ed walters and the ufo

858
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,200
stories in gulf breeze and this is an

859
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,480
extensive

860
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,799
pair of articles about not just the gulf

861
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,559
breeze sightings not just ed walters

862
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,320
gulf breeze sightings but other

863
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:49,919
sightings that took place

864
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,120
in the area in 1987 1988 into 1989 and

865
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,000
also you know an extensive look at some

866
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:00,960
of the other famous sightings around the

867
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:05,039
world from the 1940s to the present most

868
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,480
of the article not all the article but

869
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,480
most of the article is a sort of brief

870
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,800
rundown of the walters sightings but

871
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:12,879
there's also news of what's coming in

872
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,389
ufo conference mutual ufo network a ufo

873
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,560
investigations group that claims 2500

874
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:24,639
worldwide members is having its annual

875
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,359
conference in july in gulf breeze et

876
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,879
director steven spielberg has been

877
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,720
invited to be a guest speaker although

878
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,639
it is not known whether he will attend

879
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,800
about 450 others are expected at the

880
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:36,960
convention said sheila bowman convention

881
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,349
so as far as the news coverage goes in

882
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,919
the pensacola news journal part of

883
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,599
the interest and part of maybe i don't

884
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,079
know if motivation is the right word is

885
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:53,200
that ufos are going to be

886
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:56,079
a money maker for the florida panhandle

887
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,320
come july of 1990 because the mufon

888
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,640
conference it's it's big money as far as

889
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:05,200
i know steven spielberg did not accept

890
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,079
that

891
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,720
invitation so also in this article we

892
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:10,960
hear from ufo investigator mufon

893
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,839
investigator rex salisbury who's an a

894
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,200
person you're going to be hearing more

895
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,359
about in a little bit he's a retired

896
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,440
pilot 60 years old at the time he

897
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:20,880
confirmed that

898
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:25,280
between 1989 and 1989 to 1990 he had

899
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,720
investigated 25 ufo sightings

900
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,520
at the time in in march of 1990 he is

901
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:32,960
personally

902
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,320
got six separate ufo cases on the docket

903
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:38,960
in just in the pensacola area he said

904
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,760
northwest ohio was a was a hot spot for

905
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:44,160
ufo activity and mufon international

906
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,310
maybe it's the multiple air bases in the

907
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,000
area we have reason to believe in the

908
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,920
past 40 years areas with sensitive

909
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:55,920
military bases have had a predominance

910
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,630
andrus backs this up with the example of

911
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,520
in 1995 ufo landings being reported by

912
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:07,680
personnel at kirtland air base air force

913
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,280
base rather in albuquerque new mexico

914
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,680
early 80s in albuquerque new mexico we

915
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,359
might have to do an episode about some

916
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,200
of those things sometime and it isn't

917
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,119
just gulf breeze it's the entire

918
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,320
panhandle northern gulf shore region

919
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:24,400
there was a town of 1300 people fife

920
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,520
alabama in northeast alabama it's not

921
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,240
just on the coast they had over a

922
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:32,640
hundred sightings in march and february

923
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,480
or february and march i guess 1989

924
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,040
but dwayne cook who publishes the gulf

925
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:41,359
breeze sentinel as we heard last time

926
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:44,720
and was there videotaping uh ed walters

927
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,079
says that gulf breeze is a more credible

928
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,640
community for sightings than uh than

929
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,359
fife alabama this credibility comes from

930
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:55,920
its professionals and retired military

931
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,560
residents so if you're a professional or

932
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,640
retired military you are automatically

933
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:03,440
apparently a more credible ufo witness

934
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,400
than

935
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,119
i don't know just somebody from alabama

936
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,200
and this is a little telling

937
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,760
according to according to this article

938
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,359
the newspaper that is the gulf breeze

939
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,240
sentinel has sold 500 packages of copies

940
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:18,800
of the ufo sentinel stories documenting

941
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,200
77 ufo sightings since 1987. now i'm not

942
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:24,880
saying the reporting might have been

943
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:27,760
motivated by the possibility of selling

944
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,400
collections of ufo articles to people

945
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,040
but ufo might just as well stand for

946
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,200
unprecedented financial opportunity i

947
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,640
just have a feeling that clip is going

948
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,640
to be getting kind of a work out during

949
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,400
the rest of this episode now this

950
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,240
reporting from bill de paolo and craig

951
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,000
myers was was popular with some people

952
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:45,920
charles flanagan the florida state

953
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:48,960
director of mufon in uh 1990 on the

954
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,680
march 30th issue of the pensacola news

955
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,599
journal writes a letter to the editor

956
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,359
saying that de paolo and meyers are to

957
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,200
be commended for their objective

958
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,280
reporting that thousands of people in

959
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,119
escambia and santa rosa counties have

960
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:02,880
had their lives touched by ufo sightings

961
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,520
and or encounters with aliens some of

962
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,040
these people are

963
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,599
experiencing recurring contact and the

964
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,760
letter ends with a pitch to come to

965
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:13,680
their monthly meeting and join mufon of

966
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,640
course always be closing within the next

967
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:19,200
month more people had been seeing ufos

968
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,480
in 1990 this is again a couple years

969
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,880
after the wave of sightings that

970
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,800
involved the walters there's another

971
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:28,960
front page story by craig myers in the

972
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,599
april 22nd 1990 issue of the news

973
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:33,200
journal

974
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,560
dozens of people this month have

975
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,160
reported seeing a glowing red light

976
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,680
moving slowly but steadily over

977
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,200
pensacola bay and the gulf breeze

978
00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:40,800
peninsula several thousand feet in the

979
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,359
air said rex salisbury a retired pilot

980
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,119
and investigator for the mutual ufo

981
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,200
network he said eight such sightings

982
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,960
have been reported since april 10th but

983
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,240
it didn't show up friday for the

984
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,000
hundreds who were waiting many was still

985
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,920
in video cameras and binoculars

986
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:56,240
salisbury and other mufon investigators

987
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,359
said they haven't ruled out the

988
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,359
possibility that the recent ufo sighting

989
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,359
is a hoax a light or a flare attached to

990
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,440
a balloon glider kite or radio

991
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:05,599
controlled object a spokesman for the

992
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,000
pensacola naval air station said radar

993
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:09,920
had not picked up anything unusual in

994
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,560
recent weeks ed walters of gulf breeze

995
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,000
author of the gulf breeze sightings

996
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,760
released in february has been on hand at

997
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,359
many of the latest gatherings to watch

998
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,079
the sky and talk about ufos he said he

999
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,760
has seen the red light twice and thinks

1000
00:39:24,610 --> 00:39:23,520
it is the same object as in one of his

1001
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:24,620
later photographs

1002
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,440
[Music]

1003
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,960
now there are some skeptics who have

1004
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,400
some issues with this and these are

1005
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,480
skeptics who had been sort of dogging ed

1006
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:34,800
walters every step of the way

1007
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,760
one of them um is zan overall of redondo

1008
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,359
california and the other is dr willie

1009
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:41,599
smith of altamonte springs and both of

1010
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,560
them were not happy that walters was

1011
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,480
involved with the recent sightings they

1012
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,880
said they have no evidence of a hoax but

1013
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,800
the sightings can only increase walter's

1014
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,880
book sales and boost interest in the

1015
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,040
upcoming mufon convention not

1016
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,760
surprisingly walters disagrees

1017
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,280
a lot of people are saying just because

1018
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,200
i've seen it on september 12th january

1019
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:03,119
8th and last wednesday that it's invalid

1020
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,640
walter said friday night as he joined

1021
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,160
other ufo watchers at the foot of the

1022
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,079
bay bridge i don't need to promote the

1023
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,720
book it is selling hand over fist

1024
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,119
walters said he received a 200 000 cash

1025
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,640
advance from william morrow publishing

1026
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,400
for the book he said the book is going

1027
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:18,960
into its third printing walter said abc

1028
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:21,680
is offering him 450 000 to turn the

1029
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,870
oh you know what's coming

1030
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,240
you know what's coming so well i don't

1031
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,800
need to play it again but just imagine

1032
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,359
jane paulie's voice in your head as i

1033
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,440
often do for some reason there was also

1034
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,920
some suspicion that this red light

1035
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:41,839
phenomenon could be some kind of hoax

1036
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:44,480
because many of the people who witnessed

1037
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,119
it were mufon members or according to

1038
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,160
the newspaper quote frequent ufo ciders

1039
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,000
but investigator rex salisbury said

1040
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,079
there was numerous other witnesses who

1041
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:56,720
were not mufon members or frequent

1042
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,200
repeat ufo witnesses who had seen the

1043
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:01,119
same thing but they did not want to come

1044
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,480
forward publicly for fear of ridicule in

1045
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,440
the april 29th issue of the news journal

1046
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:09,680
there is another front page story by

1047
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,040
craig myers about this time about the

1048
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,160
continuing criticisms and skepticism

1049
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,440
of the ed walters photographs

1050
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:21,200
at the center of this controversy are

1051
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:24,720
some photos not of ufos but of ghosts

1052
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:25,760
that

1053
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,079
a double exposure sort of trick

1054
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,560
photography technique and skeptics said

1055
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,720
that he could have used these same types

1056
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,359
of techniques to fake some of the photos

1057
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,560
that were in his book in may of 1990 the

1058
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,640
national ufo conference

1059
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,240
which is not the same as the mufon

1060
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,760
conference this is a different

1061
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:46,800
conference

1062
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,800
was held and in um in miami beach and ed

1063
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,520
walters was one of the uh one of the

1064
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,440
participants in the national ufo

1065
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:57,280
conference according to an associated

1066
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,560
press story in the may 13 1990 issue of

1067
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,040
the pensacola news journal walters was

1068
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:06,000
not happy about things that were going

1069
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:07,440
on

1070
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:12,000
was unhappy about a newspaper report

1071
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,079
quoting a non-believer this debunker

1072
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,000
walters said claimed walters had boasted

1073
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,560
he was levitated asked to disrobe and

1074
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,280
examined by aliens not true says walters

1075
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,880
who has attracted several debunkers in

1076
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:24,880
recent weeks this is what really

1077
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:27,920
happened said walters he saw spacecraft

1078
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,160
moved closer and quote was struck by a

1079
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,119
blue beam end quote later he also lost

1080
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,119
one hour and fifteen minutes of time and

1081
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,680
sighted four foot tall beings in silver

1082
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,200
space suits

1083
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,960
if someone wants to conclude i was on a

1084
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:42,960
spaceship that's their prerogative

1085
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,750
this is kind of a typical ufo advocate

1086
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,520
technique to to sort of say this

1087
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,599
debunker is completely misrepresenting

1088
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,680
what i said and then you know proceeds

1089
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,760
to correct it in such a way that is so

1090
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:02,240
narrow that you're you're really kind of

1091
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:03,440
splitting hairs

1092
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,680
maybe he wasn't literally on a spaceship

1093
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:08,400
but he was pulled up by the blue beam so

1094
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,720
yes he claimed to be levitating in a way

1095
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,359
in the run-up to the july 6th mufon

1096
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,760
symposium in gulf breeze there were

1097
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,160
other articles in the pensacola news

1098
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,480
journal about how much business in

1099
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,400
hotels and restaurants and merchants

1100
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,400
that the conference would be bringing to

1101
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,160
the city despite the fact that it's a

1102
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,160
controversial subject

1103
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,640
hotels are filling up fast entrepreneurs

1104
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:35,280
are making t-shirts towels maps jewelry

1105
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,720
all based on sort of ufo style themes

1106
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,720
ufo might just as well stand for

1107
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:43,119
unprecedented financial opportunity and

1108
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:44,000
then

1109
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,440
that's the last time we'll hear jane

1110
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,400
paulie i think don't worry and then

1111
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:50,640
the june 17th 1990 issue of the

1112
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:52,839
pensacola news journal front

1113
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:57,440
page craig myers headline i saw ufo

1114
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,200
photos faked witness says

1115
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,359
walter's most recent critic a 22 year

1116
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,960
old former gulf breeze resident told

1117
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,040
authorities he saw walters create ufo

1118
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,200
photos by using double exposures the man

1119
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,720
who asked to remain anonymous said

1120
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,480
walters made models from styrofoam

1121
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,640
plates he said walters lighted the model

1122
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,319
by shining a flashlight into it through

1123
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,319
a pvc pipe painted black and taped to

1124
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,319
the model walters took a photograph of

1125
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,760
the lighted model in a darkened room

1126
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,760
with a black background he said

1127
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,599
next walters went outside and exposed

1128
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:27,680
the model for a second time in the sky

1129
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,599
making it appear to be in the air said

1130
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:31,040
the source who made a statement friday

1131
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,589
this young person was also present when

1132
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,119
walters made the ghost photos with

1133
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,119
double exposures at a party with him and

1134
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,520
other kids at their house walters of

1135
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,200
course responded that these these

1136
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,520
accusations were ridiculous and why

1137
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:49,599
didn't the boy come forward sooner the

1138
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,480
boy calling himself chris um

1139
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,040
his father said that he told chris the

1140
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:58,000
witness in 1987 not to get involved for

1141
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,680
two years they were reluctant to come

1142
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:01,680
forward for fear of hurting the people

1143
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,440
involved but by 1990 chris's father and

1144
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:08,000
chris decided that things had gone too

1145
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,839
far chris said that he had been present

1146
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,119
when some of these pictures had been

1147
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,520
made but the question is what about this

1148
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:15,839
model what proof is there that ed

1149
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,800
walters made a model a model matching

1150
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,160
the description was found at walter's

1151
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,160
former residence at 612 silverthorne

1152
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,160
road earlier this month by the current

1153
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,680
resident who was searching the attic for

1154
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:27,760
a water pipe the model was found under

1155
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,030
ed would deny he made the model not just

1156
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,599
to the newspaper but also in other areas

1157
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,359
of the media and he was getting out in

1158
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:39,839
the media to tell his story especially

1159
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,319
now that the uh the the debunkers and

1160
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:44,400
the skeptics had started to come after

1161
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,079
him on june 20th 1990 he appeared with

1162
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,200
chuck harder on the for the people radio

1163
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,280
program you know one thing that i think

1164
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:55,680
that people have to understand is that

1165
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,640
there is now a very orchestrated attempt

1166
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,560
three weeks before the big international

1167
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:02,640
symposium comes to town

1168
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,760
to debunk these sightings and several

1169
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,839
weeks ago

1170
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,440
there was a model

1171
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,920
planted in a house that i lived in a

1172
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,000
year and a half ago

1173
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:16,560
we have recently uncovered the evidence

1174
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,000
proving that this model was fabricated

1175
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,480
as early as september

1176
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,680
the 6th and 7th of 1989

1177
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,319
two years after all the different

1178
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:30,079
photographs and everything that i saw

1179
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,440
how could you how could you prove when

1180
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:33,920
the model was fabricated uh there was

1181
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:37,119
clues in the fabrication material of the

1182
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,319
model

1183
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,319
it was fabricated and then people then

1184
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,720
they put some drafting paper that they

1185
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,480
took from my garbage

1186
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,640
uh inside this thing to further

1187
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,160
incriminate me but what they didn't

1188
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:51,200
realize is that i was able to take that

1189
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,640
drafting blueprint paper and check back

1190
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,200
and find out what house what i'm a

1191
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:59,359
builder what house it came from and then

1192
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:02,079
therefore determine when that paper

1193
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,119
when that

1194
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:05,680
was actually drawn when it was

1195
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,319
produced and it was actually produced on

1196
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:11,200
september the 6th and the 7th of 1989

1197
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,319
and i have the

1198
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,839
sworn letters from the people that i

1199
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,000
drew the drawings for see that i

1200
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,440
discarded the drawings and they were

1201
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,040
picked up out of the garbage and they

1202
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,440
used them to make this model so now

1203
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:23,760
we've proven irrefutably that this model

1204
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,319
was a fake that was planted in this

1205
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,640
house and now the question comes up okay

1206
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,559
now we know somebody's out there faking

1207
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,839
this stuff

1208
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,520
the question is who is it and what is

1209
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:35,839
their motive it's pretty darn obvious to

1210
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:39,119
me they want to discredit ufos at all

1211
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,400
cost

1212
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,480
so the model contains materials that ed

1213
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,800
claims are from 1989 so

1214
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:45,920
this could not have been in his

1215
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,160
photographs because his photographs were

1216
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,119
from 1987 and 1988 so

1217
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:53,040
how did this

1218
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:54,079
fake

1219
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,200
hoax

1220
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,079
false flag ufo model end up in this

1221
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:59,920
house that's what radio host chuck

1222
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,079
harder wants to know now

1223
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:04,319
also i understand from my calls to the

1224
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,359
area that

1225
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,599
you did or the house was open to the

1226
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:09,359
public for a while was it not right for

1227
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,119
10 months for sale

1228
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,599
okay so theoretically anybody could have

1229
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,920
gone in the house right uh crawled up

1230
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:18,240
the stairs and uh put it in the attic

1231
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:19,040
sure

1232
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,800
during a 10-month period exactly that's

1233
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:23,040
what that's what i'm sure happened and

1234
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,480
once we now have uh dated when the model

1235
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,280
was made to be in september the 6th or

1236
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,359
7th of 1989

1237
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,280
it's quite clear

1238
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,160
that somebody has you know fabricated

1239
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,880
this fake model and went up in there and

1240
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,880
planted it hoping that the present owner

1241
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:43,200
would find it which he did

1242
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,720
i hadn't lived in the house for a year

1243
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:46,960
and a half it's absolutely ludicrous to

1244
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,599
think that i would fabricate a model

1245
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,839
here where i live now and then carry it

1246
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,400
to a house that i used to live in and

1247
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,640
hide it

1248
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,240
it's just ludicrous

1249
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,400
now in various places ed walters would

1250
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,000
claim that the the model was in the

1251
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,559
garage um turns out it was actually

1252
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,040
in a very inaccessible place and the

1253
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,880
owner found it when he was sort of

1254
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,640
digging around back in the studs trying

1255
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,200
to find the water shut off to the little

1256
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:15,200
you know water line that goes to the ice

1257
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,559
maker in the refrigerator freezer so it

1258
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:21,440
wasn't really in as obvious a place

1259
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,640
somebody couldn't have just like stopped

1260
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,240
by ducked in and

1261
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,720
quietly put this model somewhere now

1262
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:28,640
what about some specific skeptics

1263
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:31,520
including in the 1980s and 90s probably

1264
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,880
the uber skeptic in american ufology

1265
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,800
what do you say about a guy like phil

1266
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,359
class who says that you are a hoax

1267
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,680
well i say that phil class

1268
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:43,119
says

1269
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,000
sighting

1270
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,319
is either explainable or a hoax i mean

1271
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,920
there's nothing unusual about what phil

1272
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,280
class says

1273
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:52,000
now lucky for us and lucky for ed i

1274
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,440
don't know maybe not lucky for ed but

1275
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,520
lucky for the american viewing public ed

1276
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:57,680
was actually able to come face to face

1277
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,480
with

1278
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:01,040
phil class on an episode of oprah

1279
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,640
winfrey's television show in in 1990 i

1280
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:06,480
believe um the clip i was able to find

1281
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,280
of it on youtube did not have a date

1282
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,960
attached to it and

1283
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,200
i wasn't able to track down a date i

1284
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,520
didn't have a chance to do that so

1285
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,040
in addition to being on chuck harder's

1286
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,839
radio program defending his claims ed

1287
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,760
walters was also on the oprah winfrey

1288
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:23,839
show which was very different back in

1289
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:26,319
1990 in its uh in his earlier years much

1290
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,000
more a stereotypical tv talk show in

1291
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,400
format including you know interviews

1292
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:34,720
with people like ed walters now in

1293
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,520
talking to oprah ed kind of downplayed

1294
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,160
some of his stranger experiences that he

1295
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:41,839
wrote about in the book he said i had

1296
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,240
some very strange experiences she asked

1297
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,640
if he was abducted and he kind of hems

1298
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,280
and haws about that so we go to phil

1299
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,680
class who is sitting up on the stage to

1300
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:53,920
provide some insight

1301
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:57,119
i say that ed claims in his book

1302
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,319
that he gets esp messages that they show

1303
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:02,720
him photographs of nude women not

1304
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,680
pictures of nude women but actual nude

1305
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:08,800
women he claims to have been abducted

1306
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:11,760
and in fact the mayor of his own town ed

1307
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,640
gray the third has denounced this case

1308
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,960
as a hoax i agree

1309
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,000
i have never said that i've been

1310
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,480
abducted i said you have never said

1311
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:23,119
never

1312
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:33,829
oh that read my lips line is so sort of

1313
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,680
cringely dated now isn't it um if you

1314
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:39,920
don't remember the presidential campaign

1315
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:42,720
of 1988 kids ask your parents about the

1316
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,040
read my lips line so ed is is very much

1317
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:48,960
trying to to

1318
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,920
you know again kind of split hairs i

1319
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,440
wasn't abducted

1320
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:55,359
but because you pulled away from the

1321
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:56,800
magic blue beam before they could suck

1322
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,440
you up into the spaceship uh it's it

1323
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,920
gets a little a little strange but

1324
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,400
somebody in the audience has been paying

1325
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,240
attention to the news

1326
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,680
there was a thing on the on the news

1327
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,319
about that guy and there was a about ed

1328
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,760
ed walters yep

1329
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,200
about a little cardboard model of a

1330
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:14,720
spaceship that they found in the wall of

1331
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,160
a house that he lived in and this kid

1332
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:18,079
was on there saying that he'd hired him

1333
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,359
to take lights and do it and they showed

1334
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,280
her and i both saw it they showed how

1335
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,640
they could make they could do the video

1336
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:24,240
thing of it and make it look like it was

1337
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,440
a real thing well if he's out there

1338
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,520
doing it sure 200 people are gonna see

1339
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,359
it i mean they had the little cardboard

1340
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,800
model with all the little holes and the

1341
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:32,079
little booster thing on the bottom and

1342
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:33,200
everything else and they found it in the

1343
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:34,720
wall of his house

1344
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:36,960
yeah okay what do you say to that phil

1345
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:39,920
uh i have examined the model it it is

1346
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,440
made from a vellum drawing

1347
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:45,200
that has ed

1348
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:48,559
walter's handwriting on it okay

1349
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:50,880
and go ahead phil fine go ahead finish

1350
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:53,440
talking well ed claims that that drawing

1351
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:56,400
was not made until 1989.

1352
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,599
the investigation by the mayor

1353
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:01,920
shows well this was the

1354
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:04,400
the uh photo that ed likes to compare

1355
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:07,119
with the model is actually a third

1356
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,400
generation ufo model okay can you get a

1357
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,000
shot of this on the monitor oh you got

1358
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,319
it over this model if you think that

1359
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,000
this model

1360
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,920
looks anything like if you think this

1361
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,599
model looks anything like the

1362
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:21,040
photographs of what the people around

1363
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:22,720
gulf breeze are seeing

1364
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:25,119
then you need to have some glasses

1365
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,920
the the prank that was pulled by putting

1366
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:29,839
a model in a house that i used to live

1367
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:32,319
in a year and a half ago

1368
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,079
was an effort by whomever to discredit

1369
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,640
the sightings and it shows me

1370
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,640
that there is a very definite cover-up

1371
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,720
going on trying to make this phenomena

1372
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,880
go away phil class there in that that

1373
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,119
first clip mentioned that gulf breeze

1374
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:49,760
mayor ed gray had denounced the case and

1375
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:53,119
indeed he did in the june 20th 1990

1376
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,800
issue of the pensacola news journal in a

1377
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,280
viewpoint article op-ed piece mayor ed

1378
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:01,920
gray says in the headline ed walters

1379
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,640
perpetrating ufo hoax how does he know

1380
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,880
this well the young witness has come

1381
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:08,960
forward he was suspicious from the

1382
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,309
i am writing this article while enroute

1383
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,000
back from meeting an accomplice to ed

1384
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,920
walters he has been conclusively

1385
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:21,599
implicated not only witnessing the

1386
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,920
fabricated ufo sightings but assisting

1387
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,680
in the making of some of the photographs

1388
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,680
his name is hank boland through

1389
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,200
developing a close friendship to ed

1390
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,960
walters as a band member at gulf breeze

1391
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,720
high school hank was talked into

1392
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:35,280
assisting with this hoax i must conclude

1393
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,799
through my meeting hank and formulating

1394
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,640
a first impression that he probably did

1395
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,200
not engage in the hoax except to commit

1396
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,000
a practical joke candidly i believe ed

1397
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,000
walters himself being of the personality

1398
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,640
he is initiated this is a very big joke

1399
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,880
soon however the greed factor prevailed

1400
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:52,720
and hank was dragged deeper into ed

1401
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,200
walters ploy hank was not the only

1402
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,280
perpetrator ed's family is obviously

1403
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,359
immersed in the sightings they the

1404
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,359
family members have realized how much in

1405
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,119
financial reward could be gained as the

1406
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,280
story unfolded where all of this will

1407
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:07,359
end remains to be seen will the

1408
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,720
publishers of the book have legal

1409
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:11,040
grounds to recoup monies from ed i doubt

1410
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,720
it they plowed ahead to publish and reap

1411
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,480
rewards in the same vein as ed did in

1412
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:16,880
writing it will ed walters ever admit to

1413
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,599
all this i doubt it he's in too deep and

1414
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,760
has fooled too many people his only way

1415
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:23,680
to keep showing his face publicly is to

1416
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,079
keep the act going will the news media

1417
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,839
report the fine details of how he pulled

1418
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,119
off what he did

1419
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,960
they will because they must save face

1420
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:32,480
and the fact they were so taken in by

1421
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:35,040
the scheme as were so many others will

1422
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,799
the mufon investigators admit to being

1423
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,160
so wrapped up and biased in their

1424
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:40,160
pursuit of the story that they fell head

1425
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:41,520
first into the trap

1426
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:47,670
well mufon has to do something

1427
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:51,119
mufon is publicly standing by standing

1428
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,400
by the

1429
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:54,000
the sightings of ed walters and ed

1430
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,400
walters claim they agree that the model

1431
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:58,960
that's been found is a fake at least

1432
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:01,359
walt andrus and the mufon leadership

1433
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,480
believe that

1434
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,119
the journal or the news journal rather

1435
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:07,680
reports that there is infighting within

1436
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,960
mufon about the veracity of ed walters

1437
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,480
claims and the authenticity of the

1438
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,559
photographs and this is amazing that in

1439
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:16,400
numerous articles throughout june and

1440
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:19,599
july 1990 you've got you know front

1441
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,559
section

1442
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,440
front page stories about arguments

1443
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:25,680
between different mufon members about

1444
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,240
this ufo case and again this isn't the

1445
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,160
little gulf breeze weekly newspaper this

1446
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,400
is in the pensacola

1447
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,799
newspaper it's a it's a regular

1448
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:37,200
normal daily newspaper it's pretty

1449
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:40,960
amazing to be honest on july 1st 1990 ed

1450
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,319
runs a an ad in the uh the pensacola

1451
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,400
news journal ufo sightings here are the

1452
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,319
facts and it basically runs down the

1453
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:50,160
basics of his

1454
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:53,839
story and that that he's taken

1455
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,480
uh four lie detector tests administered

1456
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:58,799
by three different analysts and that in

1457
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:01,359
every test walters was determined to be

1458
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:02,799
telling the truth

1459
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:03,760
now

1460
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,400
lie detector tests are are tricky and

1461
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,799
weird and and they're there there's a

1462
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:10,799
reason that you know sometimes the

1463
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,240
results are disputed in his book

1464
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,359
the randall report ufos in the 90s ufo

1465
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:19,760
investigator kevin randle veteran ufo

1466
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,240
investigator kevin randle addressed this

1467
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:25,280
question of the lie detector tests there

1468
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,480
were inconsistencies

1469
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,440
with how qualified some of the polygraph

1470
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,920
analysts and administrators were there

1471
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:33,680
were concerns that they hadn't been

1472
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,680
independently verified by people who

1473
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,160
weren't connected to the case in one way

1474
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,559
or another it's it's kind of a mess just

1475
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:42,960
sort of procedurally it's also a very

1476
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,520
tedious mess to talk through um there's

1477
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,520
a link to the book uh to to purchase the

1478
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,280
book in the show notes it's a good book

1479
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:52,160
i'm glad i have it but um it's it really

1480
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:53,920
is a mess and mufon has to do something

1481
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:55,839
about this and so they say there is

1482
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:56,880
going to be

1483
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,799
a reopening of the investigation into ed

1484
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,079
walters's

1485
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,240
case and they assign florida mufon

1486
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,880
investigators rex salisbury and his wife

1487
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,440
carol salisbury to reopen the

1488
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:11,839
investigation and they are going to do

1489
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,240
an incredibly thorough job meanwhile

1490
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:16,079
we've learned the identity of the young

1491
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:17,920
man who came forward his name is tommy

1492
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:20,880
smith his father's name is um

1493
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:24,319
also smith tommy thomas smith is tommy's

1494
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,599
father uh who's a lawyer in pensacola

1495
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:29,920
and um

1496
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:32,960
ed ed walters is threatening to to sue

1497
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:35,760
tommy smith and it all it all gets gets

1498
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:38,400
to be a little bit a little bit heated

1499
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,240
in terms of the rhetoric the mufon

1500
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:42,640
symposium does come to gulf breeze in

1501
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:45,119
july the first week of july of 1990 ed

1502
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,400
and francis walters are named

1503
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:48,400
investigators of the year and according

1504
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,480
to bill depalo in the news journal quote

1505
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:52,559
in an emotional speech saturday ed and

1506
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:54,880
francis walters insisted they have seen

1507
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,040
unidentified flying objects and that

1508
00:59:02,950 --> 00:58:59,920
quote everything is being twisted by the

1509
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,960
debunkers but once the symposium is gone

1510
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:04,400
and everything dies down

1511
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,559
mayor ed gray is back in the newspaper

1512
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,079
actually this is an associated press

1513
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:10,319
report not just the local newspaper ed

1514
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:14,319
gray wants the ufo fame to end he wants

1515
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,440
the ufos out of gulf breeze he's tired

1516
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:19,280
of what it is doing to the city he's

1517
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:20,480
tired of this

1518
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,359
type of publicity coming to his town

1519
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:25,599
with the summer over in 1990 ed walters

1520
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,839
turns to other things in september he

1521
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:30,240
announces he is running for

1522
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,359
gulf breeze city council and he denies

1523
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:34,880
that he is doing this to sort of

1524
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,079
capitalize on his ufo success he he says

1525
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,839
he's been on the planning board he's

1526
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:42,000
eminently qualified for this position he

1527
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,480
says in october during a candidate forum

1528
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:46,559
for the city council it's clear the ed's

1529
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:50,000
status as a ufo experiencer and a very

1530
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:51,280
public well

1531
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:52,400
well

1532
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,599
traveled

1533
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,359
well exposed

1534
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,280
experiencer is going to be a factor in

1535
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,000
people's thinking this is from the

1536
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:02,880
october 19 1990 edition of the news

1537
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:07,030
council candidate ed walters who

1538
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,960
authored a book on alleged ufo sightings

1539
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,559
in gulf breeze was asked if he thinks

1540
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:12,240
ufo sightings are good for the city's

1541
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,960
image i sit here before you not as a ufo

1542
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:16,799
witness but as a qualified candidate

1543
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:19,280
said walters ufos have nothing to do

1544
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:24,309
the thing is it's been well documented

1545
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:26,880
how much you know money and and there's

1546
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,240
news stories about the business and the

1547
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:30,960
money that the mufon convention brought

1548
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,599
to the area so ufos do have something to

1549
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,839
do with the city business uh it's

1550
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:37,680
tourism dollars it's

1551
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,400
crowds it's it's a news thing so for

1552
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,000
walters to say it has nothing to do with

1553
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:44,240
city business is a little uh i'm not

1554
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:45,760
gonna say disingenuous it's it's a

1555
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:48,799
little maybe naive or blind to the

1556
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,200
issues that are going on anyway while ed

1557
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:53,359
has been running for city council

1558
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,240
rex and carol salisbury have been

1559
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:58,640
investigating and in the saturday

1560
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:02,000
october 27 1990 issue of the pensacola

1561
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:03,359
news journal

1562
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:07,040
front page story by craig myers headline

1563
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,599
investigators doubt ufo author

1564
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,520
two investigators for the mutual ufo

1565
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,200
network said friday they believe gulf

1566
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:17,119
breeze author ed walters faked some of

1567
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:19,040
the photos of ufos that appear in his

1568
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,000
book

1569
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,079
we believe that ufos exist said rex and

1570
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,000
carol salas berry of navarre of their

1571
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:26,240
study of several of walters photos we

1572
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,599
entered this investigation with a

1573
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,359
natural and favorable bias toward the

1574
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,720
walters case

1575
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:32,880
but our investigation and analysis lend

1576
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:35,119
to the conclusion that several if not

1577
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,829
well that's not good

1578
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:46,000
but you know walt andrus the

1579
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:48,799
international director of mufon said rex

1580
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,200
carol go investigate this we need to get

1581
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:53,680
the bottom of it the reputation of mufon

1582
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:55,920
is at stake so what did andrews have to

1583
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,390
i don't know how they arrived at that

1584
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,720
decision it's certainly premature he has

1585
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,559
no business talking to reporters it has

1586
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:06,240
never been cleared through here he can't

1587
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:07,599
make representations for this

1588
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:14,549
andrus goes on to say that that tommy

1589
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:15,680
smith

1590
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,039
can't prove any of his statements and

1591
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,960
their outlandish lies and that the model

1592
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,559
was hidden in the house by somebody who

1593
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:22,720
wants to discredit walters the salisbury

1594
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,319
said that smith's testimony and the

1595
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:26,960
model contributed to their conclusions

1596
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:29,920
but they had a mountain of photographic

1597
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:33,280
analysis that led them to believe that

1598
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:34,720
this does not

1599
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:38,960
members are

1600
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:41,680
are split over this bruce mcabee the the

1601
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:44,960
photo uh photo analyst who was let's be

1602
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:48,400
fair was paid for his analysis in the uh

1603
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:50,960
the ufo sightings at gulf breeze book he

1604
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:53,839
has not changed his mind but mufon's

1605
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:56,319
response to this uh let's let's look at

1606
01:03:02,309 --> 01:02:59,760
the words of of jim mosley for his take

1607
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:02,319
on what happened

1608
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:04,000
apparently the salisburies didn't

1609
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:05,359
understand their marching orders from

1610
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,880
international headquarters they

1611
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,480
conducted a careful and apparently

1612
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:10,640
objective investigation of ed's claims

1613
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:12,160
and their interim report was very

1614
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,920
negative among other things they

1615
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:15,599
interviewed one of the walters neighbors

1616
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:17,839
who told them that from about 4 30 to 6

1617
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,280
30 pm on november 11 1987 he and two

1618
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,039
local sales people were in the front

1619
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,119
yard negotiating some work to be done

1620
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:27,839
the area where ed's blue beaming ufo was

1621
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,440
supposed to be lurking was in plain view

1622
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,599
the entire time none of the three saw

1623
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:34,319
ufo or even ed with his trusty polaroid

1624
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,880
in hand in short order the salisburies

1625
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:38,720
were booted out of mufon and the report

1626
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:40,559
was tossed aside in favor of the results

1627
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:42,880
of another surprise positive review of

1628
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:44,960
the case none of this did moof on any

1629
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:47,200
good but walt weathered the storm and

1630
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:52,789
as if that wasn't bad enough come

1631
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:55,680
november ed walters would not win his

1632
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,000
seat on the gulf breeze city council in

1633
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,319
fact out of the

1634
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:03,039
nine people who ran for the four seats

1635
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:04,559
that were available

1636
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:07,599
walters got the lowest number of votes

1637
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:10,559
but maybe that was the plan all along

1638
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,799
in january 1991

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01:04:18,549 --> 01:04:14,319
charles flanagan the florida state

1640
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,559
director of mufon wrote to the newspaper

1641
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:20,559
let's now set the record straight

1642
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:22,960
mutual ufo network incorporated removed

1643
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,799
rex and carol salisbury from this case

1644
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:26,160
after they made public statements

1645
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:28,720
regarding their own version of the case

1646
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:31,039
for unknown reasons their version

1647
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:32,640
immediately preceded the gulf breeze

1648
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:35,760
city council election on november 6 1990

1649
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:42,710
i mean i suppose when you combine the

1650
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:45,920
ufo field and suburban city council

1651
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,039
politics

1652
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:49,520
the the levels of of pettiness and

1653
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:51,039
self-importance really are off the

1654
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:53,599
charts so where the salisbury's

1655
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,280
releasing information about their case

1656
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:58,160
to the news to ensure that you know sort

1657
01:05:02,309 --> 01:04:59,920
of an october surprise thing sort of the

1658
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:02,319
saddest october surprise thing ever that

1659
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,559
walters wouldn't get elected

1660
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,079
probably not it sounds like they

1661
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:08,240
actually did pretty solid work but

1662
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,000
flanagan points out that

1663
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:12,480
you know his people at mufon are doing

1664
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:14,319
the real investigation which is the one

1665
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:15,599
mosley

1666
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:18,319
referred to that will ultimately support

1667
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:20,160
walters position

1668
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:21,520
and there

1669
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:23,520
things kind of stand for a while there

1670
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,839
would continue to be lots of ufo

1671
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:27,599
sightings in the florida panhandle

1672
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:29,760
around pensacola gulf breeze parts of

1673
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:32,400
alabama throughout the early 90s into

1674
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,799
1993 there are waves of sightings and

1675
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,440
whenever there are waves of sightings

1676
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,520
the ed walters case gets brought up the

1677
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:41,599
controversy gets brought up

1678
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:45,280
even today within the ufo field there

1679
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:48,079
are people who staunchly support ed

1680
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:50,480
walters claims there are people who just

1681
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:53,839
as staunchly oppose ed walters claims

1682
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:56,720
i am kind of in the position of saying i

1683
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:00,000
think ed walters claims are not entirely

1684
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,240
plausible i think the salisbury's sort

1685
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,640
of investigation of of the the photos

1686
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:06,640
and and i'm providing links to things

1687
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:08,960
that will hopefully help you um

1688
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,720
find these things and understand these

1689
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,440
things a little bit uh more than my sort

1690
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,839
of compact description of them here does

1691
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,280
i think those are those are solid

1692
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,520
investigations they did however i don't

1693
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,520
think that invalidates all of the

1694
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:23,520
sightings that have gone on in that

1695
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:27,280
region from 1987 through the early 1990s

1696
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:28,160
and

1697
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:30,799
there's no reason why it should discount

1698
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:33,760
those it isn't and he wasn't hoaxing the

1699
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:36,400
entire region he was if he was hoaxing

1700
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,799
anything he was hoaxing these specific

1701
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:40,880
photographs we should be careful not to

1702
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,280
let the actions of one

1703
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:45,520
individual or the alleged actions of one

1704
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,640
individual

1705
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:49,440
color our perception of every witness

1706
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:52,480
who might have seen or experienced

1707
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:55,440
something and so that's gulf breeze the

1708
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,839
investigation now

1709
01:07:02,069 --> 01:06:59,440
there's a lot here that i didn't

1710
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:02,079
necessarily talk about in a lot of depth

1711
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:03,359
there's a lot of

1712
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,240
very in my opinion confusing stuff about

1713
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,240
the photographs and the analysis there

1714
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:10,160
were other young people who came forward

1715
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:11,839
with lots of stories about how ed

1716
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:14,160
walters was a practical joker from way

1717
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:16,480
back there was the ghost photo there

1718
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,440
were other things he's he's a joker and

1719
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:21,599
i don't know i think i think the mayor's

1720
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:23,920
comments kind of ring true this was a

1721
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:25,359
practical joke

1722
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:27,520
that kind of got out of hand and then

1723
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,240
the profit motive for everybody not just

1724
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:32,559
ed and his family but for the publishers

1725
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:35,599
for tv stations that takes over

1726
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:39,119
before we end this segment of the gulf

1727
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,000
breeze sightings experience on the

1728
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:43,920
saucer life i do want to mention some

1729
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:44,799
things

1730
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:47,599
ed walters did appear on inside edition

1731
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:50,160
i was not able to find that clip

1732
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:52,319
he also appeared and the case was

1733
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:55,280
covered on two separate episodes of

1734
01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:57,119
unsolved mysteries including the very

1735
01:08:01,829 --> 01:07:59,359
first episode of unsolved mysteries now

1736
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:01,839
if you go to toby or you go to

1737
01:08:06,309 --> 01:08:04,400
peacock and you look up

1738
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,319
season one episode one of unsolved

1739
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:08,480
mysteries it does not have the gulf

1740
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:09,680
breeze sightings there and i sort of

1741
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:11,440
sort of put this out on twitter gosh

1742
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,799
about six weeks ago when i was working

1743
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:14,079
on this

1744
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:15,839
and the consensus was from several

1745
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,480
people that a lot of those early

1746
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:20,880
episodes of unsolved mysteries

1747
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:23,520
have lots of edits done to them almost

1748
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,239
like i think john el tenny um sort of

1749
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,000
pointed out that they seemed like they

1750
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:30,080
might have been almost reconstructed

1751
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,719
from surviving footage that was around

1752
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:34,239
like the original episodes had been

1753
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,759
junked and then had to be sort of

1754
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,440
reconstructed once

1755
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,679
nbc or whoever realized there was a

1756
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:42,239
rerun market for things that really were

1757
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:44,159
timely television these are sort of

1758
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,520
current events things when you're asking

1759
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,520
people to write in with clues

1760
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:49,440
you don't expect there to be a lot of

1761
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:51,920
re-watch value to it but it's those of

1762
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:54,080
us who grew up at the time remember

1763
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:55,920
unsolved mysteries was

1764
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:57,920
absolutely amazing so i am aware that he

1765
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:01,199
was on those tv shows but um i was not

1766
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,759
able to source those so i said there's

1767
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:05,839
one more gulf breeze sightings episode

1768
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:08,080
coming and there is because ed walters

1769
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:10,880
didn't stop in 1994 he published a book

1770
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:13,920
with francis called ufo abductions in

1771
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:15,759
gulf breeze the amazing true story of

1772
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,640
ufos and the real visitors from outer

1773
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:21,120
space with authenticated photos and then

1774
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:24,239
in 1997 along with bruce mcabee walters

1775
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:27,679
wrote ufos are real here's the proof

1776
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:28,560
so

1777
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:31,359
more ed wood not ed wood oh my gosh

1778
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:34,239
there's a there is a freudian slip and a

1779
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,359
half isn't it more ed walters next time

1780
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:39,279
and then there was something else in the

1781
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:42,239
news in 1990 that i didn't mention six

1782
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:43,199
people

1783
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:45,199
from the army came to gulf breeze for

1784
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,719
very strange reasons and we're going to

1785
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:48,799
be covering that after we're done with

1786
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,640
the gulf breeze sightings it is the the

1787
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:52,799
late summer and autumn of gulf breeze

1788
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,760
and if you enjoy it i am so happy if you

1789
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:57,120
don't enjoy it

1790
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:59,600
it'll be over at some point so don't

1791
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:01,040
worry about it it was either this or

1792
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,480
like a six-hour episode that meant a gap

1793
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,560
of a month while i put it together so

1794
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:08,320
this is what we're doing right now and

1795
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:09,920
then we'll get to

1796
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:12,560
the exeter new hampshire ufo sightings

1797
01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:15,679
and other fun stuff to round out the

1798
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:18,070
rest of 2022.

1799
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:23,600
[Music]

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all right thanks for listening get your

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01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:28,159
feedback in we'll be doing like i said a

1802
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:30,719
big sort of bumper feedback thing at

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01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:32,560
some point after we're done with this as

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01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,960
a as a little sort of extra

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01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:36,560
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1807
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,480
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